8.01 We Need to Talk About Kevin

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Title We Need to Talk About Kevin
Episode # Season 8, Episode 1
First aired October 3, 2012
Directed by Robert Singer
Written by Jeremy Carver
On IMDB We Need to Talk About Kevin
Outline Dean escapes Purgatory after a year, but his reunion with a "retired" Sam is strained. Together they look for Kevin, who has managed to escape Crowley with a startling secret.
Monster Demons
Timeline One year after the events of 7.23 Survival of the Fittest
Location(s) 110-mile Wilderness, Maine (where Dean returns from Purgatory)

Clayton, Louisiana (where Benny is buried)
Kermit, Texas (where Sam is living)
Whitefish, Montana (Rufus' Cabin)
Centreville, Michigan (where Channing goes to college)
Fairfield, Iowa (where Kevin sets up base in an abandoned church)

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A year has passed since Dean and Castiel killed Dick Roman, the head of the Leviathans, and then disappeared in a cloud of black goo, leaving Sam alone. Somewhere in Maine's 100-Mile Wilderness, there is a flash of light and Dean emerges, covered in grime with a crude weapon in hand. He frightens two sleeping campers and demands to know where he is and the way to the nearest road. They point him in the right direction, and he takes one of their backpacks before fleeing.

Four days later, Dean has hitched a ride to Clayton, Louisiana, where he finds an old windmill. His left arm is bothering him, but he measures his steps from the windmill and starts to dig. When he uncovers a skeleton, he rolls up his left sleeve, telling someone to "hang on." His left arm is glowing red and bulging strangely, and he cuts across the bulge. He then drips glowing liquid from the wound into the grave, chanting in Latin. Once his arm is drained, a man appears behind him. He asks Dean what took him so long and Dean ignores him, asking if he's okay. The man answers in the affirmative and reveals vampiric fangs for a moment before asking Dean what they should do next. His name is Benny, and apparently he and Dean made it out of Purgatory together and are friends of a sort. They decide to go separate ways for now, though, and Dean tells Benny to keep his nose clean before hugging him.

Meanwhile, in Kermit, Texas, Sam is in a nice house packing a bag in the middle of the night. A woman and dog lay asleep on a bed nearby, and he pats the dog once before leaving quietly. The woman wakes and watches him go without saying anything. As Sam drives away from the house in the Impala, someone watches him from the shadows.

Later, Sam arrives in Whitefish, Montana, at Rufus's Cabin. The moment he steps inside, he's tackled to the ground by Dean, who splashes him with holy water and borax, then cuts his arm with a silver knife. Sam resists, telling him that he isn't a demon, Leviathan, or shapeshifter and that he knows Dean isn't either. Dean performs the tests on himself anyways before pulling Sam into a hug. They talk, and Dean tells Sam that he's been in Purgatory for the last year. Sam asks how he escaped and what happened to Castiel, but Dean is evasive. He tells Sam that Castiel didn't make it and then asks Sam where he's been. He tried to call and left him messages, but Sam was unreachable.

Sam reveals that he's not hunting anymore. After he was left alone, he fixed the Impala and drifted. Dean asks if he looked for him and is hurt when he realizes that Sam gave him up for dead. He storms out and gets one of the phones that Sam left behind to play through the messages. On it he finds a number of messages from Kevin Tran, the prophet Crowley kidnapped a year ago. Kevin escaped the demons and called Sam, desperate for help. His messages span six months, and in the last one he tells Sam that he assumes he's dead and won't call again. Dean plays them back for Sam and tells him that Kevin was their responsibility. Chastened, Sam uses his computer to process Kevin's last message. In the background is a bus depot announcement for Centerville, Michigan. Sam also finds Kevin's girlfriend, Channing, online as a student at Centerville State College. They decide to look for Kevin there. Before they go, Dean checks over the Impala and is happy with what he sees, but not with what he smells: dog. Sam doesn't admit to anything, though.

On the way to Centerville they stop at a motel, and Dean has a flashback to his time in Purgatory. He is running through the woods hunting a vampire, and when he has him trapped against a tree he asks him where "the angel" is. The vampire doesn't know, and Dean cuts off his head. He's then tackled to the ground by another vampire and loses his weapon. He's struggling when someone else knocks the vampire down and beheads him: the vampire Benny. Dean is shaken up by his flashback and tells Sam that he wants to leave the motel, but Sam thinks Dean should get some rest. They start arguing and Dean asks Sam how he rationalized his year off. Sam defends himself, but Dean can't believe that Sam looked the other way when people were dying. He also intuits that a woman was involved, but Sam doesn't say anything except that there was a woman, and now there's not.

Later that night, Sam tells Dean that he didn't just stop hunting - he found something that he'd never had before. The woman's name was Amelia, and he met her when he hit a dog. Dean acts pissed that Sam had a dog in the Impala, but when Sam changes the subject and asks about Purgatory, he answers him. Although it was bloody and terrible, Dean says that there was something about being there: it felt pure. After his admission, Dean remembers what happened after Benny saved him from another vampire: Benny revealed that he knew a way for a human to escape Purgatory. He promised to show Dean the way out as long as he let him hitch a ride. Dean agreed to work with him if they looked for Castiel first.

When Dean and Sam arrive in Centerville, they go to question Channing. She denies seeing Kevin and tells them that they're over. The boys leave, deciding to split up to look for Kevin. Once they're gone, Channing's eyes turn black and she cuts her roommate's throat. She uses the blood to call her superiors, telling them that although Kevin still hasn't shown up, Dean Winchester is back.

Meanwhile, Sam is waiting for Dean when he sees a woman walking a dog. He has a brief flashback to the night he brought a dog into an animal hospital after hitting it with the Impala. He remembers being frantic until the doctor, a young woman, arrived and made him leave the exam room. He's jarred out of his memories when Dean arrives, telling him that he didn't find anything on campus. Sam reveals what he's discovered in the campus security archives: Kevin was on campus two months ago and he used a computer. Sam was able to hack his username and get his IP address, which leads to a coffee shop in Fairfield, Iowa.

When they arrive in Fairfield, a barista at the coffee shop leads them to an abandoned church in town where Kevin has been seen coming and going. Nobody answers when they knock so they go inside, where Kevin immediately sprays them with cleaning solution from a large water gun. They confirm that they are not Leviathans and Kevin asks them where they've been before inviting them inside.

Kevin tells Sam and Dean that after being kidnapped, Crowley took him to a warehouse where he had another Word of God tablet. He demanded that Kevin translate the tablet, and Kevin told Crowley that it contained a spell to open the gates of Hell. Crowley went to Wisconsin, where the Hell Gate was supposed to appear, while Kevin performed the spell that would open the gate. However, it was a trick and the spell Kevin cast killed the two demons guarding him so that he could escape.

Kevin then reveals what was really on the tablet: information about demons, including how to kill them and how to close the gates of Hell forever. He hid it before going into hiding himself. Dean wants to find the tablet and translate it right away, and is surprised when Sam is not immediately on board with the plan. Sam later apologizes to Kevin for abandoning him.

Crowley and a possessed Channing show up at the abandoned church, and Crowley offers to trade Channing for Kevin, proving that she is still alive by letting Channing talk. Kevin pretends to agree, but lures the demons into a back room where he drops holy water on them, allowing him, Sam, and Dean to escape. In revenge, as the group leaves in the Impala, Crowley kills Channing while a horrified Kevin watches.

Later, Sam, Dean, and Kevin stop at a gas station where Kevin reveals he is not taking things well, overwhelmed by everything he has been through and the murder of his girlfriend. As they're talking, Benny calls Dean, but he pretends it's a wrong number and hangs up. Dean then gets out of the car and, once he's out of sight, calls him back. Benny is watching a funeral, and Dean suggests that they stay away from each other until they adjust, but tells Benny he can call him if he gets into trouble. Benny says that he agrees with Dean that Purgatory is "pure" and that he wishes he had appreciated it more, like Dean.




  • "Locomotive Breath" by Jethro Tull
(plays during "The Road So Far" recap of events)
  • "Man in the Wilderness" by Styx
(plays over the montage of Dean post-Purgatory)


Dean: C'mon. let's do this.
Sam: I don't know whether to give you a hug or take a shower.
Sam: Dude, you're frigging alive! I mean, what the hell happened?

Dean: Well, I guess standing too close to exploding Dick sends your ass straight to Purgatory.
Sam: You were in Purgatory? For the whole year?

Dean: Yeah, time flies when you're running for your life.
Sam: I guess, um, something happened to me this year too. I don't hunt anymore.
Dean: Yeah. And Sasha Grey's gone legit.
Sam: So Cas is dead? You saw him die?
Dean: I saw enough.
Dean: So you just turned tail on the family business?

Sam: Nothing says family quite like the whole family being dead.
Dean: I wasn't dead. In fact, I was knee-deep in God's armpit, killing monsters. Which, I thought, is what we actually do.
Sam: Yes, Dean, and as far as I knew, what we do is the thing that got every single member of my family killed. I had no one. No one. And for the first time in my life I was completely alone, and honestly I didn't exactly have a road map. So, yeah, I fixed up the Impala and I just drove.
Dean: After you looked for me. Did you look for me, Sam?
Sam: ...
Dean: Good. That's good. No, we always told each other not to look for each other. That's smart, good for you. Of course we always ignored that because of our deep abiding love for each other. But not this time, right Sammy?
Sam: I'm still the same guy.

Dean: Well bully for you! I'm not.
Sam: You okay?

Dean: Yeah. Yeah, what do you say we blow this joint and hit the road?
Sam: Now?
Dean: Yeah, Kevin's not getting anymore found.
Sam: The kid survived a year without us, he'll be okay for another 12 hours. Besides, when's the last time you slept?
Dean: Hmm.
Sam: What?
Dean: Is that, uh, is that how you rationalize taking a year off? People will be okay?
Sam: People were okay, Dean. You're okay.
Dean: Wow.
Sam: Look, I did what we promised we'd do. I moved on, I lived my life.
Dean: Yeah, no I'm gettin' that.
Sam: Look, it wasn't like I was just oblivious. I mean, I read the paper every day, I saw the weird stories, the kind of stuff we used to chase.
Dean: And you just said, what, not my problem?
Sam: Yes. And you know what, the world went on.
Dean: People died, Sam.
Sam: People always die, Dean. And maybe another hunter took care of it, I don't know, but the point is for the first time I realized that it wasn't only up to me to stop it.
Dean: ...So what was it, hmm? What could possibly make you stop just like that? A girl?
Sam: ...
Dean: Was there a girl?
Sam: ...The girl had nothing to do with it.
Dean: There was a girl?

Sam:Yeah, there was. And then there wasn't. Any more questions?
Dean: The rules are simple, Sam. You don't take a joint from a guy named Don and there's no dogs in the car!
Dean: It was bloody, messy. 31 flavours of bottom dwelling nasties. Hell, most days felt like 360 degree combat. But there was something about being there... it felt pure.
Channing: The last time I saw Kevin was like a year ago.

Sam: When he disappeard?
Channing: Mhm. He stole his mothers car because he thought he was on a mission from God, or something? He was crazy.
Channing's Roommate: Shut up. My friend Adam, who got addicted to Adderall but got a perfs on his SAT's, so it was totally worth it, same thing.
Channing: Shut up!
Channing's Roommate: Serious, mission from God.
Sam: Look, Channing, we know Kevin was here.
Channing: No, he wasn't.
Sam: We understand if you're trying to protect him, but nobody can protect Kevin better than we can.
Channing: I hate Kevin. I wouldn't protect him!
Dean: I thought you two had a thing.
Channing: Yeah, when he was going to Princeton.
Dean: Wow. Just like that?

Channing's Roommate: Uh, yeah.
Kevin: What the hell happened to you guys?
Dean: Cliff notes? I went to Purgatory, Sam hit a dog.
Crowley (to Kevin): Now, remember. Feel like a winner. Be a winner.
Dean: Were you able to read anything else off the tablet before you stashed it?

Kevin: Only the stuff about closing the gates of Hell. Forever.
Dean: ...Come again?
Kevin: Banish all demons off the face of the Earth. Lock them away forever. That could be important, right?

Dean: Closing the gates of Hell forever? Yeah! Yeah, that could be important.
Amelia: Maybe if you were such an upstanding guy you wouldn't have hit him in the first place?

Sam: Fine. I'll take him.

Amelia: There's my hero.
Demon: Dean Winchester, back from Purgatory.
Dean: Spanky the Demon, yeah I heard about you. You're the one that uses too much teeth, right?
Crowley: Dean, you're looking...well let's just say Purgatory didn't do you any favors. Where's your angel?

Dean: Ask your mother.
Crowley: There's that grade-school zip. Missed it, I really did.

Crowley (to Sam): Moose! Still with the pork chops. I admire that.
Crowley: Chin up, gentleman. I'm a professional.

Dean: This ain't over by a long shot, Crowley.

Crowley: Really, Dean, who writes your stuff? A marshmallow?
Channing: Kevin... what's going on?
Kevin: There is a demon in you and you're going to your safety school.

Trivia & References

The episode title is a reference to the book We Need to Talk About Kevin by Lionel Shriver and later made into a movie. The book is based around a series of letters from a woman to her husband, about her concerns about their son Kevin who eventually commits mass murder at his high school.
This is the first episode to be written by Jeremy Carver since 5.18 Point of No Return. Jeremy left Supernatural at the end of Season 5 to write and produced the US version of Being Human with wife Anna Fricke. It was announced on April 4, 2012 that Jeremy would return to Supernatural as co-showrunner with Bob Singer, to replace Sera Gamble who left Supernatural to develop her own series. source.
This was the 150th episode of Supernatural to air. However it was the 151st episode to shoot, as episode 3 for the season, again directed by Jensen, was shot first for the season.
Ty Olsson who plays Benny previously appeared as the vampire bartender Eli in 2.03 Bloodlust
When Dean is releasing Benny's soul from his body onto Benny's bones he speaks the words: Anima. Corpori. Fuerit corpus totem resurgent. Which translates as "Soul. Body. Whole body shall be raised."
Sam: I guess something happened to me this year too. I don't hunt anymore.

Dean: Yeah, and Sasha Grey's gone legit.
Sam: Huh?
Dean: What?
Sam: Nothing... she did a Soderbergh film...

Sasha Grey is famous hard core porn star. Her first non-porn feature was The Girlfriend Experience by removed director Steven Soderbergh in 2009.
The scene in which Dean stands transfixed in front of a vending machine, and two boys run past pretending to shoot each other, is a shout out to the final scenes in the movie The Hurt Locker, where a bomb disposal expert finds it hard to adjust to civilian life after coming home from Iraq. He finally admits to his family that "there is only one thing I love" and returns to the adrenaline charged life on the front lines.
Sam: You know, it gets better.

Kevin: You know I'm not gay, right?

This is a reference to the campaign in support of LGBT Youth "It Gets Better." The campaign was created in response to a number of students taking their own lives after being bullied in school in September 2010.
Although unnamed in the episode the dog will be called Riot. source
The first Dean/Benny fic appeared within hours of the episode airing. Fandom have dubbed the pairing Denny.


A Winchester demonstrating that he is not supernatural using Holy Water, Silver etc was also seen in 4.01 Lazarus Rising when Dean sees Bobby after returning from Hell and in 6.01 Exile on Main St. when a soulless Sam reunites with Dean.
This is the sixth time we have seen the Winchesters hug. The others were seen in 2.22 All Hell Breaks Loose: Part Two, 3.11 Mystery Spot, 4.01 Lazarus Rising, 6.01 Exile on Main St., and 6.12 Like a Virgin.
Aside from the Pilot, this is the first premiere episode not to feature Bobby Singer.
Sam and Dean stay at the Palm Motel.

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