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I think what Ash was referring to and meant by this were the times that Sam and Dean had died after Ash's death in S2. Ash had met Sam (and possibly Dean, but I can't think of any other time he died except in S3, and then he went to Hell) in Heaven, but the angels brought him/them back to life and erased their memories of Heaven, not dying in the first place. So I think it's safe to say Sam and Dean haven't died some mysterious way in the past that we don't know about (and the angels brought them back to fulfill their destiny). | I think what Ash was referring to and meant by this were the times that Sam and Dean had died after Ash's death in S2. Ash had met Sam (and possibly Dean, but I can't think of any other time he died except in S3, and then he went to Hell) in Heaven, but the angels brought him/them back to life and erased their memories of Heaven, not dying in the first place. So I think it's safe to say Sam and Dean haven't died some mysterious way in the past that we don't know about (and the angels brought them back to fulfill their destiny). | ||
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| + | : The actual exchange is as follows, as documented in the transcript for 5.16: | ||
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| + | '''ASH:''' I heard that you were up. Of course I had to come find you. Again.<br> | ||
| + | '''DEAN:''' (surprised) Again?<br> | ||
| + | '''ASH:''' This ain’t the first time here. I mean, you boys die more than anyone I’ve ever met.<br> | ||
| + | '''DEAN:''' (even more surprised) Really.<br> | ||
| + | '''ASH:''' Ah, yeah… you don’t remember. God! Angels. Must’ve Windexed your brain.<br> | ||
| + | </blockquote> | ||
| + | :It could be interpreted that the angels only removed their memory of Heaven after death, but at the same time, it is not specified. There have been any number of close calls for the brothers that could have led to death. If they did die, they could have been brought back with only the memory of a close shave, not the death that occurred. And while Ash could only have come to find them after S2, that doesn't mean they did not die earlier in their lives. It is a pretty open ended statement. --[[User:MisterGlass|MisterGlass]] 01:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC) | ||
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Please do not change page names without consultation. --Missyjack 20:24, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure it was 102. Even if we assume that when Sam said it was the hundredth consecutive Tuesday, it actually was the hundredth consecutive Tuesday rather than a convenient round number for effect, there has to have been at least one in between that day (which ends within moments of his discovering the girl with the papers is Hasselback's daughter) and the next day we see (which opens with Sam having had the opportunity to talk with her and read everything her father ever wrote), which could be quite a few Tuesdays. —EllieMurasaki 23:16, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
"Dean is also killed by hunters in 5.16 Dark Side Of The Moon and brought back to life by Joshua. During this episode, Ash comments that Sam and Dean have died before and been brought back by angels, with their memories erased. This means that no accurate death tally can be established for either brother."
I think what Ash was referring to and meant by this were the times that Sam and Dean had died after Ash's death in S2. Ash had met Sam (and possibly Dean, but I can't think of any other time he died except in S3, and then he went to Hell) in Heaven, but the angels brought him/them back to life and erased their memories of Heaven, not dying in the first place. So I think it's safe to say Sam and Dean haven't died some mysterious way in the past that we don't know about (and the angels brought them back to fulfill their destiny).
- The actual exchange is as follows, as documented in the transcript for 5.16:
ASH: I heard that you were up. Of course I had to come find you. Again.
DEAN: (surprised) Again?
ASH: This ain’t the first time here. I mean, you boys die more than anyone I’ve ever met.
DEAN: (even more surprised) Really.
ASH: Ah, yeah… you don’t remember. God! Angels. Must’ve Windexed your brain.
- It could be interpreted that the angels only removed their memory of Heaven after death, but at the same time, it is not specified. There have been any number of close calls for the brothers that could have led to death. If they did die, they could have been brought back with only the memory of a close shave, not the death that occurred. And while Ash could only have come to find them after S2, that doesn't mean they did not die earlier in their lives. It is a pretty open ended statement. --MisterGlass 01:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
