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==Death and God==
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In this statement, used in [[5.10 Abandon All Hope]], "The last time they (Heaven) hauled him up, "Noah was building a boat", would that make it seem like Death can be controlled and or used in some way shape or form? Yes, of course, in many ways Death is one of the strongest entities to appear on Set but it seems like the show itself has given many pointers that Death himself is not all powerful. And given the fact that he was imprisoned in the first place makes it clear that even he can be contained on some level. And not once has the show implied this for God so I think that as of now, God can be classed as a higher, prominent authority.
  
*It is unknown as to whether or not Death is actually an [[angel]] as his title suggests, or a powerful [[demon]]. Due to the mythology of Death stretching back further than [[Lilith]]’s (who was the first demon ever conceived) it is more likely the former. In this case it is also unknown as to how Death might differ from other angels, whether or not he is an [[Archangel]], a [[Fallen Angel]], or something different entirely. Biblical and religious lore supports the latter.
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Anderson54, March 8th 2011
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I totally believe that when Death claimed to Dean that he will one day reap God he lied: I think that Archangels are almost as powerful and dramatic as Death himself, seeing as Lucifer bound and secured Death via a spell. Although i also think that while he may be subjected and harmed by an archangel, I think that his role and essential purpose greatly exceeds that of all archangels, as it it his main task to maintain and supply order and balance to the Natural Order. Although this may be unlikely because Death entered Lucifer's Cage unaided and returned without an opening or pathway, something that even Michael and Lucifer couldn't achieve. What does anyone else think?
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Anderson54, December 30th 2010   
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In my opinion I believe that Death lied to Dean when he said that he will one day reap God. And here's my reasoning behind that statement:
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According to Bobby Singer, Death was always kept restrained in a cell that was buried some where under the Earth's surface.
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Just from that statement we understand that even Death can be kept at bay; so how than could he reap God? Personally, I think Death merely expressed his duty to Dean - reaping all life before eternity.
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Side note: If Lucifer, who was created by God, can cast a binding spell on Death, how is it possible for Death to kill Lucifer's creator? To me, that makes absolutely no sense.   
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Any other thoughts or opinions?
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[[User:SonicShocker|SonicShocker]], 7:05 PM, August 23rd 2010
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According to Crowley, Death's Scythe can kill anything including Death himself.  It would most likely have to be wielded by a super being as it burns when it glows in his presence.  I think binding spells can be used on anyone.  The problem is making it work.  Crowley carved the symbols in Brady's chest after he had the "bag" on.  Kali used a blood spell on an archangel and two mortals dispatched two of the horsemen.  I think that a lesser being can kill/defeat/bind etc a more powerful being "if they get the drop on them".  I've always wondered why the angels don't just step over the non-burning part of the holy oil circle! Har Har!--[[User:Frankrizzo51|Frankrizzo51]] 21:23, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
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*It is unknown as to whether or not Death is actually an [[angel]] as his title suggests, or a powerful [[demon]]. Due to the mythology of Death stretching back further than [[Lilith]]’s (who was the first demon ever conceived) it is more likely the former. In this case it is also unknown as to how Death might differ from other angels, whether or not he is an [[Archangel]], a Fallen Angel, or something different entirely. Biblical and religious lore supports the latter.
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I just erased the Head Reaper part of Death's occupation. 
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*Death was not specified as being a Reaper in '''[[Canon]]''', or for that matter the Head Reaper. 
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Anderson Writer, FEB. 14th 2010
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I removed the reference to Hades (god of the Underworld in Greek mythology) and Azrael, who is an Angel of Death in the Islamic and Judaic traditions, as I think they are quite different from Death, Horsemen of the Apocalypse.--[[User:Missyjack|Missyjack]] 11:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
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Just removed this bit:
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I removed the pic that was coded as [File:death supernatural.jpg]. I removed this pic for it is currently classified as a '''Spoiler'''. Our policy describes and dictates that we '''DO NOT allow any spoilers''' (No Exceptions)!!! Anyone may re-enter (put back) the pic (File:death supernatural.jpg) to the page titled Death when he physically appears in the show (also the Episode has to have already aired in the U.S.)
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I also removed some spoiler-info from the Horsemen page.
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[[User:Anderson Writer|Anderson Writer]], MAY 4th 2010 (UTC)
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'''My Speculation:'''
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I remember that in the Bible it was Death who conjured the deadly storms during the Great flood. Isn't possible that Lucifer summoned Death for this purpose.... to obliterate the Earth by forcing Death to conjure storms that would lead to the destruction of the Earth...
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'''Please post any thoughts on this documented speculation.... Feedback is ALWAYS great!'''
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'''[[User:Anderson Writer|Anderson Writer]]''', MAY 12th 2010 (UTC)
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:That's more ambitious than I expect of this show, honestly. Especially considering I saw an article the other day, might've been in TIME, to the effect of if India and Pakistan nuke each other the resulting smoke clouds will block enough sun long enough to starve most of the world. War could've done much more damage there than in River Pass, Colorado. —[[User:EllieMurasaki|EllieMurasaki]] 05:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
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'''My Theory:'''
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Wouldn't Death be the Head of the Four Horsemen? Even in Supernatural, Death has verbalized his potential. His capabilities seem to far surpass the power of his horsemen siblings (War, Famine and Pestilence). Apparently, the human mind cannot fully calculate nor process Death's "true" power. Death brought this fact to the table when he addressed it to Dean Winchester. Because this is only in theory, I am reluctant to post this onto his occupation section. I will address this onto other Talk pages that are parallel to this point.
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'''[[User:Anderson Writer|Anderson Writer]]''', MAY 13th 2010 (UTC)
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==Intimidation factor==
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From what was seen in 11th episode of Season 2, and also when Dean first met Death, it seemed pretty clear that Dean was very intimidated by Death. This is not quite the same as being afraid of Death, and Death isn't afraid of openly reprimanding Dean for rude manners. --[[User:Venixer|Venixer]] 01:18, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Enslave Death ==
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If it's so simple to enslave Death why Castiel didn't use it against Raffael rather than go after Purgatory, a so much harder quest??--[[User:Big Jack|Big Jack]] 15:22, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
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death in supernatural has been notified to be as old or even older then god himself. this was mentioned by death himself however neither one could remember, doesn't mean death is lieing. death said to dean that he is the only being that is eternal and will one day reap god. fair enough death was imprisoned for thousands of years, but with all due respect you people sound like you need to pay attention a little bit more....... he wasn't only imprisoned he was locked up hurled into the core of the earth and left there because GOD!!!!!!! thought death and his power was way to dangerous and out of control in order for him to be left freely to roam, now im thinking there has to have been some prior history between god and death which hasn't been established yet in the series, in order for god himself, also in light to how omnipotent god is, that god had come to conclusion that death must be imprisoned. now im thinking for god to be thinking that Death must be only being that can reap god so in fear god imprisoned death.
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also you guys seem like your confused about whether death is an angel or not, NO!!! death is not an angel because in the series once again it has been established that death and god seem to be brothers of are like brothers (wasn't clear) he was made one of Lucifer's horseman because of a spell not because he is directly a horseman unlike the other three beings.
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Lucifer needed death because death is considered to be equal unto god himself therefore Lucifer exploited death by way of a spell. the spell was created by god in order to keep him in line, how else would he of controlled someone who is like him.
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and for those of you who think death isn't as powerful as god then you guys need to do your research and watch the supernatural episodes more clearly either that or listen more because in case u hadn't noticed death deals with millions upon billion of souls. he eats the soul and absorbs there power and then send them on to whichever place they go either heaven or hell. why do you think lucifer feared him and needed him so much.
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Death can reap God, but isn't as powerful as him. God didn't imprison Death in the earth, Lucifer did. God and Death have never seemed like brothers of any kind. Peers, maybe. Brothers? That's a stretch. Death is not considered equal to God, just more powerful than anyone but God so far. Death can eat as many souls as he wants, what you seem to forgot is that GOD CREATED THEM ALL. Huge difference.
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== Knowledge ==
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Death has shown extensive knowledge of many matters, but has never been shown as or implied to be omniscient. In very few of his appearances has he actually known the situation before being brought forth. The latest episode finale, My Brother's Keeper, has a good example. He had no idea that Dean had the Mark of Cain, arguably one of if not the most important piece of information for him to actually have.

Latest revision as of 21:22, 26 March 2018

Death and God

In this statement, used in 5.10 Abandon All Hope, "The last time they (Heaven) hauled him up, "Noah was building a boat", would that make it seem like Death can be controlled and or used in some way shape or form? Yes, of course, in many ways Death is one of the strongest entities to appear on Set but it seems like the show itself has given many pointers that Death himself is not all powerful. And given the fact that he was imprisoned in the first place makes it clear that even he can be contained on some level. And not once has the show implied this for God so I think that as of now, God can be classed as a higher, prominent authority.

Anderson54, March 8th 2011

I totally believe that when Death claimed to Dean that he will one day reap God he lied: I think that Archangels are almost as powerful and dramatic as Death himself, seeing as Lucifer bound and secured Death via a spell. Although i also think that while he may be subjected and harmed by an archangel, I think that his role and essential purpose greatly exceeds that of all archangels, as it it his main task to maintain and supply order and balance to the Natural Order. Although this may be unlikely because Death entered Lucifer's Cage unaided and returned without an opening or pathway, something that even Michael and Lucifer couldn't achieve. What does anyone else think?

Anderson54, December 30th 2010

In my opinion I believe that Death lied to Dean when he said that he will one day reap God. And here's my reasoning behind that statement:

According to Bobby Singer, Death was always kept restrained in a cell that was buried some where under the Earth's surface.

Just from that statement we understand that even Death can be kept at bay; so how than could he reap God? Personally, I think Death merely expressed his duty to Dean - reaping all life before eternity.

Side note: If Lucifer, who was created by God, can cast a binding spell on Death, how is it possible for Death to kill Lucifer's creator? To me, that makes absolutely no sense.

Any other thoughts or opinions?

SonicShocker, 7:05 PM, August 23rd 2010

According to Crowley, Death's Scythe can kill anything including Death himself. It would most likely have to be wielded by a super being as it burns when it glows in his presence. I think binding spells can be used on anyone. The problem is making it work. Crowley carved the symbols in Brady's chest after he had the "bag" on. Kali used a blood spell on an archangel and two mortals dispatched two of the horsemen. I think that a lesser being can kill/defeat/bind etc a more powerful being "if they get the drop on them". I've always wondered why the angels don't just step over the non-burning part of the holy oil circle! Har Har!--Frankrizzo51 21:23, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

  • It is unknown as to whether or not Death is actually an angel as his title suggests, or a powerful demon. Due to the mythology of Death stretching back further than Lilith’s (who was the first demon ever conceived) it is more likely the former. In this case it is also unknown as to how Death might differ from other angels, whether or not he is an Archangel, a Fallen Angel, or something different entirely. Biblical and religious lore supports the latter.

I just erased the Head Reaper part of Death's occupation.

REASON FOR DELETION:

  • Death was not specified as being a Reaper in Canon, or for that matter the Head Reaper.

Anderson Writer, FEB. 14th 2010

I removed the reference to Hades (god of the Underworld in Greek mythology) and Azrael, who is an Angel of Death in the Islamic and Judaic traditions, as I think they are quite different from Death, Horsemen of the Apocalypse.--Missyjack 11:09, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Just removed this bit:

I removed the pic that was coded as [File:death supernatural.jpg]. I removed this pic for it is currently classified as a Spoiler. Our policy describes and dictates that we DO NOT allow any spoilers (No Exceptions)!!! Anyone may re-enter (put back) the pic (File:death supernatural.jpg) to the page titled Death when he physically appears in the show (also the Episode has to have already aired in the U.S.)


I also removed some spoiler-info from the Horsemen page.

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Anderson Writer, MAY 4th 2010 (UTC)


My Speculation:


I remember that in the Bible it was Death who conjured the deadly storms during the Great flood. Isn't possible that Lucifer summoned Death for this purpose.... to obliterate the Earth by forcing Death to conjure storms that would lead to the destruction of the Earth...

Please post any thoughts on this documented speculation.... Feedback is ALWAYS great!

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Anderson Writer, MAY 12th 2010 (UTC)

That's more ambitious than I expect of this show, honestly. Especially considering I saw an article the other day, might've been in TIME, to the effect of if India and Pakistan nuke each other the resulting smoke clouds will block enough sun long enough to starve most of the world. War could've done much more damage there than in River Pass, Colorado. —EllieMurasaki 05:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

My Theory:

Wouldn't Death be the Head of the Four Horsemen? Even in Supernatural, Death has verbalized his potential. His capabilities seem to far surpass the power of his horsemen siblings (War, Famine and Pestilence). Apparently, the human mind cannot fully calculate nor process Death's "true" power. Death brought this fact to the table when he addressed it to Dean Winchester. Because this is only in theory, I am reluctant to post this onto his occupation section. I will address this onto other Talk pages that are parallel to this point.

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Anderson Writer, MAY 13th 2010 (UTC)

Intimidation factor

From what was seen in 11th episode of Season 2, and also when Dean first met Death, it seemed pretty clear that Dean was very intimidated by Death. This is not quite the same as being afraid of Death, and Death isn't afraid of openly reprimanding Dean for rude manners. --Venixer 01:18, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Enslave Death

If it's so simple to enslave Death why Castiel didn't use it against Raffael rather than go after Purgatory, a so much harder quest??--Big Jack 15:22, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

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death in supernatural has been notified to be as old or even older then god himself. this was mentioned by death himself however neither one could remember, doesn't mean death is lieing. death said to dean that he is the only being that is eternal and will one day reap god. fair enough death was imprisoned for thousands of years, but with all due respect you people sound like you need to pay attention a little bit more....... he wasn't only imprisoned he was locked up hurled into the core of the earth and left there because GOD!!!!!!! thought death and his power was way to dangerous and out of control in order for him to be left freely to roam, now im thinking there has to have been some prior history between god and death which hasn't been established yet in the series, in order for god himself, also in light to how omnipotent god is, that god had come to conclusion that death must be imprisoned. now im thinking for god to be thinking that Death must be only being that can reap god so in fear god imprisoned death.

also you guys seem like your confused about whether death is an angel or not, NO!!! death is not an angel because in the series once again it has been established that death and god seem to be brothers of are like brothers (wasn't clear) he was made one of Lucifer's horseman because of a spell not because he is directly a horseman unlike the other three beings. Lucifer needed death because death is considered to be equal unto god himself therefore Lucifer exploited death by way of a spell. the spell was created by god in order to keep him in line, how else would he of controlled someone who is like him.

and for those of you who think death isn't as powerful as god then you guys need to do your research and watch the supernatural episodes more clearly either that or listen more because in case u hadn't noticed death deals with millions upon billion of souls. he eats the soul and absorbs there power and then send them on to whichever place they go either heaven or hell. why do you think lucifer feared him and needed him so much.

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Death can reap God, but isn't as powerful as him. God didn't imprison Death in the earth, Lucifer did. God and Death have never seemed like brothers of any kind. Peers, maybe. Brothers? That's a stretch. Death is not considered equal to God, just more powerful than anyone but God so far. Death can eat as many souls as he wants, what you seem to forgot is that GOD CREATED THEM ALL. Huge difference.

Knowledge

Death has shown extensive knowledge of many matters, but has never been shown as or implied to be omniscient. In very few of his appearances has he actually known the situation before being brought forth. The latest episode finale, My Brother's Keeper, has a good example. He had no idea that Dean had the Mark of Cain, arguably one of if not the most important piece of information for him to actually have.