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I don't think the profile picture should be of Chuck. It was never confirmed that he was God, only that he was a prophet who disappeared. (I'm one of the Chuck-is-not-God people.) It would make more sense to use a picture of Biblical God like the old picture, or a picture of Castiel, seeing as he is no longer an angel (being immune to the angel killing sword) and declared himself to be the new God. Thoughts? -[[User:Silvershadow6|Silvershadow6]]
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::Agreed have reverted to original picture. --[[User:Missyjack|Missyjack]] 22:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
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Regarding the profile picture for that page, yes, the infobox should have the Biblical picture, and no, placing a picture of Castiel would, at least to me, make no sense, as I, even still, view them as separate beings - here's why, God is the maker of everything and he still exists, Castiel has been transformed into a deity, but they are nonetheless separate beings, and even though he has taken his place, the other God should still have his own page, and, Castiel should have his too. -- [[User:ImperiexSeed|ImperiexSeed]], 7:08 PM, May 25th 2011
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:: That does make sense. Maybe there should be a "Castiel as the new God" heading underneath "Is Chuck God?".
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::: We need to be careful with language here as Supernatural is a polytheistic universe. ie there is no one real or true God but many deities. It's confusing because one of them is referred to as God. Castiel is now a god, a deity, and probably we could say ruler of Heaven. God is absent. I think we'll leave wording the way it is at present. --[[User:Missyjack|Missyjack]] 12:02, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
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:::: Oh, right. He's now a god, but he's not ''the'' God. No problem.\
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Agreed... -- [[User:ImperiexSeed|ImperiexSeed]], 2:18 PM, May 26th 2011
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For those speculating whether God can die or not, and whether Death was posturing or a reflection of Death's own beliefs etc. I have removed that, as it is pure bias and speculation. The show (via the character Death) has said God will die one day, reaped by Death. That's the facts. Keep speculation on this page. Cheers OldNick666
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My response to OldNick666's statements:
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In my opinion I believe that Death lied to Dean when he said that he will one day reap God. And here's my reasoning behind that statement:
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According to Bobby Singer, Death was always kept restrained in a cell that was buried some where under the Earth's surface.
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Just from that statement we understand that even Death can be kept at bay; so how than could he reap God? Personally, I think Death merely expressed his duty to Dean - reaping all life before eternity.
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Side note: If Lucifer, who is one of God's underlings, can cast a binding spell on Death, how is it possible for Death to kill Lucifer's creator? To me, that makes absolutely no sense.   
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Any other thoughts or opinions?
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[[User:SonicShocker|SonicShocker]], 7:05 PM, August 23rd 2010
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removed text speculating about what aspects of God the archangel's represent. please try and confine text to facts from canon. if you wish to include, for example, information from lore or religious texts about God, please mark it as such and provide links to external sources--[[User:Missyjack|Missyjack]] 04:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 
removed text speculating about what aspects of God the archangel's represent. please try and confine text to facts from canon. if you wish to include, for example, information from lore or religious texts about God, please mark it as such and provide links to external sources--[[User:Missyjack|Missyjack]] 04:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
  
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:You’ve brought up an excellent point. However, Chuck did seem to know a lot about the Impala, possibly through Omniscience. Also, he did vanish at the end of episode [[5.22 Swan Song]]. Humans can't just disappear nor can Prophets. It's very safe to say that Chuck is God. In my opinion it was an excellent set up; he disguised himself as a prophet, but in reality he was God from the beginning ([[4.18 The Monster At The End Of This Book]])!
 
:You’ve brought up an excellent point. However, Chuck did seem to know a lot about the Impala, possibly through Omniscience. Also, he did vanish at the end of episode [[5.22 Swan Song]]. Humans can't just disappear nor can Prophets. It's very safe to say that Chuck is God. In my opinion it was an excellent set up; he disguised himself as a prophet, but in reality he was God from the beginning ([[4.18 The Monster At The End Of This Book]])!
  
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:Just as a correction, 2 humans, who were prophets have been called physically directly up to Heaven, Enoch and Elija. They had served God the way he needed them and just were immediately called up to Heaven, they didn't have to die to go there. SO I think the way he disappeared @ the end was just to show his job as the Winchester prophet was completed. --[[User:Jellebean|Jellebean]] 22:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 
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And dean's amulet? If chuck was god why it doesn't burn in his presence? However, what kind of god chuck suppose to be? A decayed one, not the perfect one of cristianity... I like this.--[[User:Big Jack|Big Jack]] 14:21, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
 
And dean's amulet? If chuck was god why it doesn't burn in his presence? However, what kind of god chuck suppose to be? A decayed one, not the perfect one of cristianity... I like this.--[[User:Big Jack|Big Jack]] 14:21, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
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There's an easy answer to that question. If [[Chuck]] was ''''[[God]]''' than couldn't he block the effects of the Amulet? Also, Joshua did state that the Amulet couldn't help them find God. And like I said before it's a clever cover up; posing a prophet is a sneaky move on His part. 
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'''[[User:Anderson Writer|Anderson Writer]]''', MAY 17th 2010 (UTC)
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A lot can change while writing a season though. Also the impala thing could be because A) He is a prophet. B) He made it up for the book (He is a writer and it's not like they have to be ENTIRELY true right?). --[[User:Ryans-cupcake|Ryans-cupcake]] 16:56, 17 May 2010
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Ok so new Chuck theory. He's Jesus. Not God. It would still make sense, he'd be super powerful and everything. And it would explain the mary magdalene thing.
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Tecnicaly for the christian religion jesus and god are the same think.--[[User:Big Jack|Big Jack]] 12:27, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
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:There's a joke that the quickest way to get a new sect of Christianity started is to find two members of the same sect in a room and ask them both about the nature of Christ and his relationship to God. Given the history of Christianity, the joke's fairly close to the truth. And Supernatural's pulled from so many different branches of Christianity that we cannot assume Jesus is God, nor can we assume Jesus is a son of God, nor can we assume Jesus is an ordinary human on a mission from God. In fact, since Jesus has been mentioned on the show a grand total of once that I recall (what ''did'' happen to saying 'Christo' to detect demons, anyway?), we cannot assume a damn thing. —[[User:EllieMurasaki|EllieMurasaki]] 04:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
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"...when a prophet has finished their book(or whatever) they go up to heaven..." According to a Youtube comment.--[[User:KaiLuna|KaiLuna]] 04:01, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
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You can't use Youtube as a reliable source. I'm sorry to put it in such abrupt terms. Although, I must agree with you, prophets do normally ascend to Heaven when their job is done.... However, it is my honest opinion that Chuck was briefly possessed by JC (Jesus Christ). -- '''[[User:GrammarKing|GrammarKing]]''', June 6th 2010
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It's not confirmed whether Chuck was God, therefore all comments on the page explicitedly referring to Chuck as God should be removed.
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Only two men of God were taken up to Heaven, Enoch and Elijah.
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And according to most sects of christianity, Jesus IS God.  By 'God' you're probably referring to 'God the Father', who is one of the three persons who make up God.[[User:Anonymius|Anonymius]] 11:53, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
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yea chuck was god i believe case as he would write it it would happen like when dean was reading about himself sitting in a place.
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i don't believe that he is God, I believe that Chuck and the other prophets like him are God's Vessel.
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In the categorisation of the Wiki God counts as a deity. Supreme being is your term, not one from the Show. and if death can kill God , its not "Supreme". --[[User:Missyjack|Missyjack]] 00:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
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:I don't really want debate this, but apparently, there's a need to, so here's what I think. Actually, it's not really my term, it obviously came from somewhere else. I full well understand the categorizations, and where they belong. Also, it's highly unlikely, at least to me, that Death could actually kill God.. Yes, he could've killed godly Cas, but probably not the real God. Also, it's one thing to believe everything the show says, and it's another to formulate your own opinions, afterall a lot of the time the shows leave it up to you to decide. So, with that, God would be the Supreme Being! -- [[User:ImperiexSeed|ImperiexSeed]],  3:49 PM, October 4th 2911
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::Death (his actor is great, by the way) may truly "believe" he can kill God, there's no doubt of that, but whether that is necessarily true is another matter. Bobby calls Death the "angel of death", though this may have been a misinterpretation on his part, and Death is one of the Four Horsemen, which implies some connection or parity to the other three. Also, if Death can be bound multiple times by a specific spell, he obviously is not himself truly omnipotent on a Supreme Being level. Death is saying that he can kill God, but who's making Death say that, the writer, right? I mean, I usually think of the "God" on Supernatural as the writer, or, like, Chuck. Like, can Death in Supernatural kill Eric Kripke? I don't think so. [[User:Kara|Kara]] ([[User talk:Kara|talk]]) 11:40, 11 August 2013 (PDT)
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Okay so this is a bit far from the subject but I'll tell it anyway.In season 5 episode 4 when Dean arrives in Kansas at the Century Hotel just in front of it there is a strange guy on the street that talks about God and the souls of the people.Anyway he looked at Dean in a strange way like he knew him somehow or he wanted to hear something form Dean.Anyway is a possibility that this person was God and that Dean didn't recognize him.What do you think?
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== Chuck could be God because of a very realistic reason!! ==
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THERE IS PROOF CHUCK IS GOD!
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In episode 10.05 "Fan-Fiction" Chuck appears at the end.
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It is said (by Castiel) that ''only one'' Prophet can be alive. So if one dies another one gets "active" (as we know, there is already a list of all Prophets ever).
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We meet him first in 4.18 "The Monster At the End Of the Book".
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We meet '''Kevin Tran''', a ''Prophet of the Lord'', in 7.21 "There Will Be Blood". Which means Chuck should be dead be then. But as already said, he appears in 10.05.
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'''CHUCK IS ACTUALLY GOD.
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Latest revision as of 14:51, 16 January 2015

I don't think the profile picture should be of Chuck. It was never confirmed that he was God, only that he was a prophet who disappeared. (I'm one of the Chuck-is-not-God people.) It would make more sense to use a picture of Biblical God like the old picture, or a picture of Castiel, seeing as he is no longer an angel (being immune to the angel killing sword) and declared himself to be the new God. Thoughts? -Silvershadow6

Agreed have reverted to original picture. --Missyjack 22:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the profile picture for that page, yes, the infobox should have the Biblical picture, and no, placing a picture of Castiel would, at least to me, make no sense, as I, even still, view them as separate beings - here's why, God is the maker of everything and he still exists, Castiel has been transformed into a deity, but they are nonetheless separate beings, and even though he has taken his place, the other God should still have his own page, and, Castiel should have his too. -- ImperiexSeed, 7:08 PM, May 25th 2011

That does make sense. Maybe there should be a "Castiel as the new God" heading underneath "Is Chuck God?".
We need to be careful with language here as Supernatural is a polytheistic universe. ie there is no one real or true God but many deities. It's confusing because one of them is referred to as God. Castiel is now a god, a deity, and probably we could say ruler of Heaven. God is absent. I think we'll leave wording the way it is at present. --Missyjack 12:02, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Oh, right. He's now a god, but he's not the God. No problem.\

Agreed... -- ImperiexSeed, 2:18 PM, May 26th 2011


For those speculating whether God can die or not, and whether Death was posturing or a reflection of Death's own beliefs etc. I have removed that, as it is pure bias and speculation. The show (via the character Death) has said God will die one day, reaped by Death. That's the facts. Keep speculation on this page. Cheers OldNick666

My response to OldNick666's statements:

In my opinion I believe that Death lied to Dean when he said that he will one day reap God. And here's my reasoning behind that statement:

According to Bobby Singer, Death was always kept restrained in a cell that was buried some where under the Earth's surface.

Just from that statement we understand that even Death can be kept at bay; so how than could he reap God? Personally, I think Death merely expressed his duty to Dean - reaping all life before eternity.

Side note: If Lucifer, who is one of God's underlings, can cast a binding spell on Death, how is it possible for Death to kill Lucifer's creator? To me, that makes absolutely no sense.

Any other thoughts or opinions?

SonicShocker, 7:05 PM, August 23rd 2010

removed text speculating about what aspects of God the archangel's represent. please try and confine text to facts from canon. if you wish to include, for example, information from lore or religious texts about God, please mark it as such and provide links to external sources--Missyjack 04:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Should we really be assuming that Chuck is god? There has been no confirmation of this...

Exactly.--Big Jack 21:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
You’ve brought up an excellent point. However, Chuck did seem to know a lot about the Impala, possibly through Omniscience. Also, he did vanish at the end of episode 5.22 Swan Song. Humans can't just disappear nor can Prophets. It's very safe to say that Chuck is God. In my opinion it was an excellent set up; he disguised himself as a prophet, but in reality he was God from the beginning (4.18 The Monster At The End Of This Book)!
Just as a correction, 2 humans, who were prophets have been called physically directly up to Heaven, Enoch and Elija. They had served God the way he needed them and just were immediately called up to Heaven, they didn't have to die to go there. SO I think the way he disappeared @ the end was just to show his job as the Winchester prophet was completed. --Jellebean 22:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
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Anderson Writer, MAY 15th 2010 (UTC)
I saw a spoiler from Comic-Con saying God would be a character on Supernatural this season (I can find the link if you like), and do we have any other candidates? I can also find the recent tweet from @vancouvernights saying the consensus on set is that Chuck is God. —EllieMurasaki 02:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

http://twitter.com/vancouvernights/status/13987456491 Tweet from the insider on the SPN set. I purposefully have worded things as Chuck seems to be God to indicate there was no "chuck is God" explicit announcement.

And dean's amulet? If chuck was god why it doesn't burn in his presence? However, what kind of god chuck suppose to be? A decayed one, not the perfect one of cristianity... I like this.--Big Jack 14:21, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

There's an easy answer to that question. If Chuck was 'God than couldn't he block the effects of the Amulet? Also, Joshua did state that the Amulet couldn't help them find God. And like I said before it's a clever cover up; posing a prophet is a sneaky move on His part.

Anderson Writer, MAY 17th 2010 (UTC)


A lot can change while writing a season though. Also the impala thing could be because A) He is a prophet. B) He made it up for the book (He is a writer and it's not like they have to be ENTIRELY true right?). --Ryans-cupcake 16:56, 17 May 2010

Ok so new Chuck theory. He's Jesus. Not God. It would still make sense, he'd be super powerful and everything. And it would explain the mary magdalene thing.

Tecnicaly for the christian religion jesus and god are the same think.--Big Jack 12:27, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

There's a joke that the quickest way to get a new sect of Christianity started is to find two members of the same sect in a room and ask them both about the nature of Christ and his relationship to God. Given the history of Christianity, the joke's fairly close to the truth. And Supernatural's pulled from so many different branches of Christianity that we cannot assume Jesus is God, nor can we assume Jesus is a son of God, nor can we assume Jesus is an ordinary human on a mission from God. In fact, since Jesus has been mentioned on the show a grand total of once that I recall (what did happen to saying 'Christo' to detect demons, anyway?), we cannot assume a damn thing. —EllieMurasaki 04:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

"...when a prophet has finished their book(or whatever) they go up to heaven..." According to a Youtube comment.--KaiLuna 04:01, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

You can't use Youtube as a reliable source. I'm sorry to put it in such abrupt terms. Although, I must agree with you, prophets do normally ascend to Heaven when their job is done.... However, it is my honest opinion that Chuck was briefly possessed by JC (Jesus Christ). -- GrammarKing, June 6th 2010


It's not confirmed whether Chuck was God, therefore all comments on the page explicitedly referring to Chuck as God should be removed.

Only two men of God were taken up to Heaven, Enoch and Elijah.

And according to most sects of christianity, Jesus IS God. By 'God' you're probably referring to 'God the Father', who is one of the three persons who make up God.Anonymius 11:53, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

yea chuck was god i believe case as he would write it it would happen like when dean was reading about himself sitting in a place.

i don't believe that he is God, I believe that Chuck and the other prophets like him are God's Vessel.

In the categorisation of the Wiki God counts as a deity. Supreme being is your term, not one from the Show. and if death can kill God , its not "Supreme". --Missyjack 00:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't really want debate this, but apparently, there's a need to, so here's what I think. Actually, it's not really my term, it obviously came from somewhere else. I full well understand the categorizations, and where they belong. Also, it's highly unlikely, at least to me, that Death could actually kill God.. Yes, he could've killed godly Cas, but probably not the real God. Also, it's one thing to believe everything the show says, and it's another to formulate your own opinions, afterall a lot of the time the shows leave it up to you to decide. So, with that, God would be the Supreme Being! -- ImperiexSeed, 3:49 PM, October 4th 2911
Death (his actor is great, by the way) may truly "believe" he can kill God, there's no doubt of that, but whether that is necessarily true is another matter. Bobby calls Death the "angel of death", though this may have been a misinterpretation on his part, and Death is one of the Four Horsemen, which implies some connection or parity to the other three. Also, if Death can be bound multiple times by a specific spell, he obviously is not himself truly omnipotent on a Supreme Being level. Death is saying that he can kill God, but who's making Death say that, the writer, right? I mean, I usually think of the "God" on Supernatural as the writer, or, like, Chuck. Like, can Death in Supernatural kill Eric Kripke? I don't think so. Kara (talk) 11:40, 11 August 2013 (PDT)


Okay so this is a bit far from the subject but I'll tell it anyway.In season 5 episode 4 when Dean arrives in Kansas at the Century Hotel just in front of it there is a strange guy on the street that talks about God and the souls of the people.Anyway he looked at Dean in a strange way like he knew him somehow or he wanted to hear something form Dean.Anyway is a possibility that this person was God and that Dean didn't recognize him.What do you think?

Chuck could be God because of a very realistic reason!!

THERE IS PROOF CHUCK IS GOD!

In episode 10.05 "Fan-Fiction" Chuck appears at the end. It is said (by Castiel) that only one Prophet can be alive. So if one dies another one gets "active" (as we know, there is already a list of all Prophets ever). We meet him first in 4.18 "The Monster At the End Of the Book". We meet Kevin Tran, a Prophet of the Lord, in 7.21 "There Will Be Blood". Which means Chuck should be dead be then. But as already said, he appears in 10.05.

CHUCK IS ACTUALLY GOD.