Talk:Lucifer's Cage

A drunk Sam Winchester told a drunk Bobby that Lucifer couldn't be lured back to his cage easily. So, Sam openly devised a quick plan and iterated it to Bobby. Sam thought that he could possibly consent to Lucifer's possession, and with much determination he could resist Satan’s evil energy for a brief moment; Sam thought that if his plan worked it would give him time to jump into Lucifer's cage with Lucifer inside of him; this would ultimately result in a courageous/self-sacrificing act on Sam's part.

Anderson Writer, APRIL 30th 2010

Lucifer's cage is not hell. Or not the same hell. The hell demons are made in is obviously not intended to keep anybody in permanently: Meg got out without benefit of a devil's gate at least once. And opening the devil's gate in Wyoming, while enough to bust Lilith out (and Azazel made a point of saying she'd be nearly impossible to get out), didn't even come close to opening Lucifer's cage.

Lucifer's cage is closely connected to hell, I'm sure. Ben Edlund said at Comic-Con 2009 that Lucifer's the power source for the demon-creating machine. But not so closely that anybody can get from one to the other without getting up to earth in between; see also how much trouble Azazel had finding somewhere to open the cage from. And Sam's time in the cage is doubtless just as fun as Dean's time in hell, so it makes sense that Dean would compare the two. But hell and the cage cannot be the same place.

My personal bet re Lucifer's cage: For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; 2 Peter 2:4. The word translated 'hell' here, Tartarus, appears nowhere else in the New Testament, and here it's specifically referring to the punishment of angels; everywhere else in the NT that I can think of, the word translated 'hell' is Gehenna or Hades and either way it's somewhere only dead people go.

(The sentence that starts at verse 4 ends at verse 9, which has fascinating implications for S6: if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.)

—EllieMurasaki 03:22, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Sera Gamble herself confirmed that Lucifer's Cage is indeed in Hell, the lowest and worst circle of Hell to be exact. Lucifer also states that God "had Michael cast me into Hell" in The End. In Swan Song, Dean states that Sam's Hell (the Cage) would make his own tour look like "Graceland". There have been several instances where it has been made abundantly clear that the Cage is indeed a part of Hell, the worst part at that.

Lucifer (The End): You know why God cast me down? Because I loved him. More than anything. And then God created... You. The little...hairless apes. And then he asked all of us to bow down before you—to love you, more than him. And I said, "Father, I can't." I said, "These human beings are flawed, murderous." And for that, God had Michael cast me into Hell. Now, tell me, does the punishment fit the crime? Especially, when I was right? Look at what six billion of you have done to this thing, and how many of you blame me for it.

Dean (to Sam in Swan Song): Your Hell is gonna make my tour look like Graceland.

In a recent interview with Sera Gamble, I quote:

Questioner: So for a year, Dean thought Sam was dead, or locked in a cage in Hell?

Sera Gamble: “Yeah, [he thought] that was it. There’s no way to get your brother out of the cage at the bottom of the lowest depths of the ninth circle of the worst bit of Hell.”

Don't believe it? See <http://supernaturalfansonline.com/2010/08/02/new-sera-gamble-interview-spoilers/> for more details. It has been established and made fairly obvious throughout from several characters that the Cage is indeed a part of Hell, the most famous part in fact. Lucifer1987 07:10, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I feel like I'm saying the District of Columbia and the state containing Seattle are different places, however much they have in common, and you're saying Washington is Washington is Washington. —EllieMurasaki 12:30, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Good grief, have you not just read what I posted? It is confirmed that Lucifer's Cage is a "part" of Hell, located at the very bottom of the lowest circle of Hell. Obviously Hell is divided up into circles in Supernatural, similar to how it is in the Divine Comedy. Sheesh, it's not that hard to figure out. Washington State and Washinton D.C. are two completely different places that are named as such to keep their meanings from being confused. Hell on the other hand is Hell, there's only one obviously, and it is divided up into sections. As I say, it doesn't take a mental genius to figure it out when connecting the dots. Lucifer1987 17:57, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

The people who do the research for Supernatural include somebody who looked up how to say 'go get blown by a goat' in Enochian. I find it extremely difficult to believe that they wouldn't know that there are three different words in the New Testament that all translate to 'hell' in English but that all mean distinctly different things in the original. I'm with the crowd who thinks that when Jesus says 'if you do X you're going to hell' where the original word is Gehenna, he means 'if you do X you're throwing your life away', since that word derives from the Valley of Hinnom which was basically Jerusalem's landfill, but there's still everywhere the New Testament says Hades and there's still the one place the New Testament says Tartarus, which are both Greek conceptions of the underworld that have not a hell of a lot to do with each other except that Zeus says in the Iliad that Tartarus is as far below Hades as heaven is above earth. It is not in the least obvious that there is only one hell. And the ways to get in and out of hell and of the cage are so very different that I find it very hard to believe they're the same place. I really am hearing you say 'obviously Washington means the District of Columbia' and ignoring the possibility that we're talking about Washington State. —EllieMurasaki 18:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)