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Based on an analysis of nearly 30,000 stories listed in the [[spnnewsletter|LJ Supernatural newsletter]], approximately 39% of Supernatural fan fiction is Wincest.
 
Based on an analysis of nearly 30,000 stories listed in the [[spnnewsletter|LJ Supernatural newsletter]], approximately 39% of Supernatural fan fiction is Wincest.
  
Obviously this pairing Sam and Dean in a sexual relationship is something does not appeal to some fans. Others still are strongly opposed to it. On [[Livejournal]], Wincest and non-Wincest fans have generally co-existed peacefully in the fandom and their has been very little [[wank]]. From the start of the fandom, many authors have written across both [[Gen]] and Wincest genres, which probably lessened the likelihood of divisions arising.  
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Obviously pairing Sam and Dean in a sexual relationship is something does not appeal to all fans, and some are strongly opposed to it. On [[Livejournal]], the centre of fandom in turns of writing, art and vidding, Wincest and non-Wincest fans have generally co-existed peacefully in the fandom and there has been very little [[wank]]. From the start of the fandom, many authors have written across both [[Gen]] and Wincest genres, which probably lessened the likelihood of opposing camps arising.  
  
Due to the fact that there are so few unrelated characters, slash fans who are uncomfortable with Wincest have moved into writing and reading [[Jsquared]] fic, many of whom would previously have avoided [[RPF|RPS]] fandoms. This has lead to the phrase "Supernatural fandom - where RPS is the moral high ground"!   
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Due to the fact that there are so few recurring characters on the Show available as potential partners for Sam and Dean in fanfiction, [[slash]] fans who were uncomfortable with Winces moved into writing and reading [[Jsquared]] fic, many of whom would previously have avoided [[RPF|RPS]] fandoms. This lead to the phrase "Supernatural fandom - where RPS is the moral high ground"!   
  
After the appearance of [[Castiel]] in Season Four, the pairing of [[Dean/Castiel]] offered a non-incestuous [[Slash]] pairing, and attracted a new crop of writers.
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After the appearance of [[Castiel]] in Season Four, the pairing of [[Dean/Castiel]] offered a non-incestuous [[Slash]] pairing, and attracted a new crop of writers to the fandom.
  
Some communities on [[Livejournal]] and websites and messge boards ban mentions of [[Wincest]]. For example [[Supernatural.tv]] states  "This community as a whole has nothing against homosexuality, but this is a site about Supernatural--two brothers with no romantic feelings for each other--and changing their relationship changes the characters we tune in to watch every week. As another site states, fans borrow characters when they use them in creative work. If fans change major aspects of characters, they might as well create original characters."
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Some communities on [[Livejournal]] and messsge board forums ban mentions of [[Wincest]]. For example [[Supernatural.tv]] states  "This community as a whole has nothing against homosexuality, but this is a site about Supernatural--two brothers with no romantic feelings for each other--and changing their relationship changes the characters we tune in to watch every week. As another site states, fans borrow characters when they use them in creative work. If fans change major aspects of characters, they might as well create original characters."
  
 
''Supernatural'' is certainly not the first fandom to feature a popular incestuous pairing. There's the Weasleys, Draco and Lucius Malfoy and the Black family from ''Harry Potter'', Simon and River Tam from ''Firefly'', The Eppes brothers in'' Numb3rs'' and all the Peterellis in ''Heroes'', and not forgetting Luke and Leia in ''Star Wars''.  In [[RPF]] Gerard and Mikey Way from ''My Chemical Romance'' have been a popular pairing in recent years.
 
''Supernatural'' is certainly not the first fandom to feature a popular incestuous pairing. There's the Weasleys, Draco and Lucius Malfoy and the Black family from ''Harry Potter'', Simon and River Tam from ''Firefly'', The Eppes brothers in'' Numb3rs'' and all the Peterellis in ''Heroes'', and not forgetting Luke and Leia in ''Star Wars''.  In [[RPF]] Gerard and Mikey Way from ''My Chemical Romance'' have been a popular pairing in recent years.
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There are also stories known as [[Winsister fic]]- AU stories involving one or more female Winchester siblings.  Sometimes these characters are female versions of Sam and/or Dean - [[Genderswap]] - while in other cases they are entirely original characters. These stories may involve [[Het]] or [[Fem Slash]].
 
There are also stories known as [[Winsister fic]]- AU stories involving one or more female Winchester siblings.  Sometimes these characters are female versions of Sam and/or Dean - [[Genderswap]] - while in other cases they are entirely original characters. These stories may involve [[Het]] or [[Fem Slash]].
  
Very occasionaly the boys have been paired with their mother, mainly in [[AU]] stories where it is Mary who raises them and trains them as hunters.
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Very occasionally the boys have been paired with their mother, mainly in [[AU]] stories where it is Mary who raises them and trains them as hunters.
  
 
The season four episode [[4.03 In The Beginning]] took Dean back in time to 1973 where he encounters his parents as young people. Dean comments that his mother is very attractive.
 
The season four episode [[4.03 In The Beginning]] took Dean back in time to 1973 where he encounters his parents as young people. Dean comments that his mother is very attractive.
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[[Wee!cest]] refers to Wincest where one or both of the boys are teenagers.
 
[[Wee!cest]] refers to Wincest where one or both of the boys are teenagers.
  
In Season 5, interest rose in the pairing of [[Michael]] and [[Lucifer]] - itself an incestuous pairing. The pairing often occurs when the angels are possessing their [[Vessel]]s Sam and Dean, and so is a form of [[Wincest]].
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In Season 5, interest rose in the pairing of [[Michael]] and [[Lucifer]] - itself an incestuous relationship. The pairing often occurs when the angels are possessing their [[Vessel]]s Sam and Dean, and so is a form of [[Wincest]].
  
 
== '''Themes in Wincest''' ==
 
== '''Themes in Wincest''' ==

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Definition

Wincest is the term commonly used to describe fanfiction (or other fanworks) that depict or assume a romantic or sexual (i.e. Slash) relationship between Sam Winchester and Dean Winchester.

The word is a portmanteau of brothers' last name, Winchester, and the word "incest". Fans of Wincest occasionally refer to themselves as Wincesters.

The term Wincest is also commonly thought of as interchangeable with Sam/Dean (or Dean/Sam), however any Winchester pairing could be considered 'Wincest'.

You do realize they're brothers?

Wincest fic arose the moment the show was aired, supported by the typical ingredients a slasher needs: two extremely hot guys, a dead girlfriend, and a brotherly love that leaves no room for anyone else. Add a bit of spice like daddy issues, betrayal, childhood trauma and emotional dependency and you have your perfect dish to satisfy hordes of Slash fans.

2005.09.14: Within hours of the Pilot airing the first Sam/Dean fic is posted as the first fic at supernatural_fic and sn_slash by janedavitt.

  • 2005.10.25 Fic Community Wincest opens.

And it wasn't only fangirls who noticed the dynamic. Gay blogger Nathan Exposed wrote in November 2005 "It’s like the Hard Boys, only gayer. The cheese factor is no surprise. This is the WB, after all. But I love the awkward sexual tension between the brothers."

In December 2006 Sera Gamble admitted to teasing Eric Kripke by referring to the story the writers were telling as The Epic Love Story of Sam and Dean.

Even in the show, Sam and Dean are either mistaken for a gay couple on a couple of occasions: by a Realtor in 1.08 Bugs and the inn owner Susan Thompson in 2.11 Playthings. This later encounter causes Dean to ask

Dean: Of course, the most troubling question is why do these people assume we're gay?
Sam: Well, you are kind of butch. They probably think you're overcompensating.

Sam and Dean even play on the misconception in order to get information in 3.08 A Very Supernatural Christmas.

Based on an analysis of nearly 30,000 stories listed in the LJ Supernatural newsletter, approximately 39% of Supernatural fan fiction is Wincest.

Obviously pairing Sam and Dean in a sexual relationship is something does not appeal to all fans, and some are strongly opposed to it. On Livejournal, the centre of fandom in turns of writing, art and vidding, Wincest and non-Wincest fans have generally co-existed peacefully in the fandom and there has been very little wank. From the start of the fandom, many authors have written across both Gen and Wincest genres, which probably lessened the likelihood of opposing camps arising.

Due to the fact that there are so few recurring characters on the Show available as potential partners for Sam and Dean in fanfiction, slash fans who were uncomfortable with Winces moved into writing and reading Jsquared fic, many of whom would previously have avoided RPS fandoms. This lead to the phrase "Supernatural fandom - where RPS is the moral high ground"!

After the appearance of Castiel in Season Four, the pairing of Dean/Castiel offered a non-incestuous Slash pairing, and attracted a new crop of writers to the fandom.

Some communities on Livejournal and messsge board forums ban mentions of Wincest. For example Supernatural.tv states "This community as a whole has nothing against homosexuality, but this is a site about Supernatural--two brothers with no romantic feelings for each other--and changing their relationship changes the characters we tune in to watch every week. As another site states, fans borrow characters when they use them in creative work. If fans change major aspects of characters, they might as well create original characters."

Supernatural is certainly not the first fandom to feature a popular incestuous pairing. There's the Weasleys, Draco and Lucius Malfoy and the Black family from Harry Potter, Simon and River Tam from Firefly, The Eppes brothers in Numb3rs and all the Peterellis in Heroes, and not forgetting Luke and Leia in Star Wars. In RPF Gerard and Mikey Way from My Chemical Romance have been a popular pairing in recent years.

Wait a second... Just which Winchesters are involved in Wincest?

In the early days of the Supernatural fandom (around the start of 2006), the term 'Wincest' referred to slash between any of the Winchester men - so John/Dean, John/Sam and John/Dean/Sam as well as Sam/Dean could be termed 'Wincest'.

However, as time went on and the fandom grew, the term 'Wincest' came to be most commonly used with (and recognised as) the Sam/Dean pairing only. Slash involving John was most commonly called Daddycest and occasionally 'Johnslash' or 'Johncest' but mostly just labeled with the particular pairing in individual stories.

There are also stories known as Winsister fic- AU stories involving one or more female Winchester siblings. Sometimes these characters are female versions of Sam and/or Dean - Genderswap - while in other cases they are entirely original characters. These stories may involve Het or Fem Slash.

Very occasionally the boys have been paired with their mother, mainly in AU stories where it is Mary who raises them and trains them as hunters.

The season four episode 4.03 In The Beginning took Dean back in time to 1973 where he encounters his parents as young people. Dean comments that his mother is very attractive.

Dean: Sammy, wherever you are - Mom is a babe! I'm so going to hell. Again.

Also in this episode, when Azazel possess Samuel Campbell, Mary's father, he kisses her to seal the deal to save John's life, technically providing a canonical example of Wincest. In the Season 5 episode 5.13 The Song Remains The Same, Sam also gets to meet both his parents and remarks how beautiful Mary is - "in a platonic, totally not weird way" Dean helpfully clarifies.

Adam Milligan from 4.19 Jump The Shark is also a blood relative of the Winchesters, so Sam/Adam, for example, could also be called Wincest. The ivejournal community "Wincest" has stated here that pairings involving Adam count in their definition of Wincest.

Wee!cest refers to Wincest where one or both of the boys are teenagers.

In Season 5, interest rose in the pairing of Michael and Lucifer - itself an incestuous relationship. The pairing often occurs when the angels are possessing their Vessels Sam and Dean, and so is a form of Wincest.

Themes in Wincest

Stories which feature Sam and Dean in a sexual relationship cover a wide range of themes but many explore how and why Sam and Dean have developed a sexual relationship, and what that relationship is like. Themes in these stories include:

  • Incest taboo - "But we're brothers!" - Sam and Dean deal with their desire for each other
  • Porn - stories written solely for their erotic content with no concern for why two heterosexual brothers might want to have sex with each other.
  • We couldn't help ourselves - aka sex pollen, curses, or mystical forces make them do it, the brothers have to pretend to be gay for a case and things develop
  • And then they had sex - Sex is often used within slash fics in general to allow closure or resolution to conflict. In Wincest, the boys will have sex following an argument or fight. As such, they are often written to codas to episodes where conflict is unresolved.
  • Magical Healing Cock - sex is the cure-all when Sam or Dean have been injured, tortured or suffering more illness or upset.

For many stories featuring Wincest, the sexual relationship will simply be part of a broader tale which may fit into a variety of genres.

One of the most important aspect of Wincest fan fiction is the theme of "More than just brothers" - the ultimate trust. Part of the fascination with the relationship between the boys comes from the level of connection they seem to have (they are the only family left, they don't have any other meaningful relationships in their lives, no friends are there to stay, they can't reveal their true identity to others). Sam and Dean are portrayed as each others absolutes in the show, something that calls forward the ultimate, romantic love, the love that would give everything and the love that is everything.

It has been argued (see: Woledge, Elisabeth: Intimatopia. Genre Intersections Between Slash and the Mainstream, in: Hellekson, Karen/ Busse, Kristina: Fan Fiction and Fan Communities in the Age of the Internet, McFarland, 2006, p. 79 - 96) that the social closeness engenders intimacy, a certain kind of "oneness" between two men in a homosocial world. If we take a look at the world of Supernatural, the homosocial surroundings aren't to be missed: the mother died, the boys are brought up by their father, their most important friend and contact is Bobby and so on. In that, the sexual relationship is just a logical conclusion, or one might say, an extension of that perceived soulful "oneness". Shared physical intimacy is the last step in bringing these characters together as one, not just one mind and soul, but one body.

There are many fics in which Sam and Dean's relationship is simply part of a story that may cover any range of genres including Case Fic, Bodyswap, Genderswap, AUs, Future Fic, Pre-Series Fic, Crossover, Angst, Deathfic, Crack, Post-Apocalypse, Hurt-Comfort, PWP and any other genre one can think of.

In the Top/Bottom sexual roles commonly assigned in Fanfic, generally Sam is the top, and Dean is the bottom.

Other Fanworks

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Wincest also appears in various types of Fan Art including both digital manipulations, drawings and paintings. and Fan Vids which may imply a sexual relationship through clever editing, or manips. No cross stitch samplers have yet been seen, but are sure to exist.

The icons here represent a range of fannish engagements with Wincest.

What do those outside fandom think?

Wincest got its first bit of official recognition at the Asylum fan convention in England in the Spring of 2007. When Jensen Ackles was asked what he thought of fan fiction, he replied:

"Some of those fan fictions have some very, very crazy ideas. And sometimes very...disturbing ideas. One of my favorites is, uh, Wincest...I-I only hope that my grandmother never reads those. Jared and I had a good laugh about that one. It was only brought to our attention because Kim Manners posted it. So um...that's that." Video of quote

When asked about Wincest and fanfiction at EyeCon April 2008, Jared proved diplomatic - and eloquent: "with fan fiction and RPGs, it's like what I was talking about earlier, that everyone's taking a part and they're not just watching it.. ..and they're really passionate about the show, and especially the fans of Supernatural it's great learning tool, and exploring tool to explore this world. So I'm supportive." Video of quote

Some fans have criticized those who bring the world of Wincest or fan fiction to the attention of those involved with the show, claiming it shouldn't be spoken of and should remain only between the fans.

In the March 2009 publication In the Hunt: Unauthorized Essays on Supernatural by Benbella Books, Wincest is discussed in the essay "Scary Just Got Sexy" by Emily Turner.

In an article on Supernatural in Entertainment Weekly on 2 April, 2009, Wincest was described as a "unique and creepy type of fanfiction."

The same day as the EW article, the episode 4.18 The Monster At The End Of This Book aired in which specific mention was made of Sam/Dean fanfic.

Dean: There's Sam Girls and Dean Girls and...what's a slash fan?
Sam: As in Sam slash Dean, together
Dean: Like together, together? They do know we are brothers right?
Sam: Doesn't seem to matter.
Dean: Well that's just sick!

There followed much discussion in fandom whether this exchange indicated the Show's support or condemnation of Wincest. It is certainly the first time on a TV show that incestuous gay porn has been mentioned by the characters about whom it is written.

In Season Five, the character of Becky Rosen is introduced. 5.01 Sympathy For The Devil She is a fan of the "supernatural" novels and runs a website called morethanbrothers.net. She is first seen writing a Wincest fic which can be read here.

In 5.09 The Real Ghostbusters at the Supernatural Convention, the MC announces that there will be a session on "The homoerotic subtext of Supernatural". The two fanboys featured in the epsiode Demian and Barnes, who are role playing as Sam and Dean at the convention, are revealed at the end of the episode to be lovers.

Perhaps because of the mentions in Canon, Wincest is mentioned more often in the media in association with the fandom than other Slash pairings or even fanfiction generally. The reaction is generally one of "ewwww".

On October 6, 2009, Entertainment Weekly named Supernatural as one of the 25 top cult TV shows of all time. And only the Supernatural fandom was picked out for the fans creativity:

Why It's Cult: Because some members of the show's small but passionate fanbase have taken to writing fan fiction. And any show that inspires people to want to continue the heroes' adventures on their own time qualifies as cult. (We'll not mention that some of that fan fiction has the Winchester brothers doing things that brothers shouldn't be doing. It's called Wincest. Nuff said, ja?) —Marc Bernardin

On March 2010, tv.com rated the craziest fanbases: "The show's weirdest fans are known for writing tales about a little something called "Wincest". Comments to the blog were generally of Supernatural fans avowing their own dislike for Wincest.

Other Slash in the Supernatural fandom

Sam/Dean has been the dominant pairing since the fandom began. There have been few other continuing male characters in Supernatural for Sam or Dean to be "slashed" with although fics have paired them with everyone from Ash to Henrikson

The appearance in Season Four of Castiel led to an explosion in Dean/Castiel fiction, and occasional Shipping wars between fans who hold either pair as their OTP.

Occasionally the brothers will be slashed with original male characters (OMCs) or characters from other fandoms. ones with supernatural themes such as Buffy, Angel, Harry Potter, Smallville, and Twilight are popular, but Sam and Dean have been paired with characters from DC Comics to Glee. See also: crossovers.

Sam or Dean are also "slashed" with a character that was played by either Jensen Ackles or Jared Padalecki in another TV series or movie (e.g. Sam/Jake from Devour, Sam/Alec from Dark Angel, Dean/Dean from Gilmore Girls or Sam/Priestly from Ten Inch Hero), and even occasionally in Crack fics with Jared or Jensen themselves.

Other Use of Term

"On the imageboard 4chan incest is referred to as Wincest." reference, although this is not directly related to the Supernatural fandom.

See also

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